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Lost: Episode 6:15 Across The Sea

So, we finally get the story behind Jacob and Smokey...sort of! Click to hear my thoughts..
Well, first off I must say that I was very disappointed. The episode was a good one from a certain perspective(good performances, good story etc) but as for what the writers promised to reveal with this one..waaaaaay off.

It begins with a pregnant woman shipwrecked on the island. She is rescued by another woman who puts a halt to all of the questions the pregnant woman(and we) want to know by saying "every question will only lead to more". How true. The woman gives birth to twins. Jacob and...not Jacob! At this point the other chick caves her head in with a rock. Lovely. We see Jacob and his brother as children finding a back gammon type game on the beach, with black and white stones as playing pieces. It turns out their "mother" had left it for..lets just call him Esau as I'm sure it will turn out to be his find. She seems to show more affection for Esau and puts a higher stake in him than in Jacob. While hunting one day the kids come across other people on the island. Their mother had always told them that there was no one else, and that the island was "all there is". When they question this she tells them that all other people are bad and will only hurt them. Esau asks that since they are people too, won't they also hurt each other. The woman says she has "made it so that can't happen". She then takes them to a magical cave. Yep. Thats what needs protecting on the island. The cave is full of light and would seem to represent life the universe and everything to coin a phrase from Douglas Adams. The woman tells the boys that one day one of them must take over from her and protect the cave at all costs, but they must never go into the cave because to do so would be a fate worse than death. One day while the boys are playing their stone game their real dead mother comes to visit but only Esau can see her. She brings him to another part of the island and shows him that there are other people there building settlements. She also tells him that they came from across the sea and that the woman they think is their mother killed her. Esau returns and packs a bag to leave, asking Jacob to join him. But the stronger, seemingly dumber Jacob reacts with violence when told the truth. Esau leaves saying he will find a way off the island. 30 years pass. Esau has made a home with the other group on the island and but Jacob still visits him to play. Esau tells him that he has found a way off the island and shows him the strange magnetic properties of the Well(Which Desmond now resides in!). He says there are pockets of this energy from the cave source all over the island and that he and his people are at work to tap into it. Jacob tells his mother about this and she visits Esau as he as at work building The Donkey Wheel that Ben used to leave the island. How did he know building a wheel and turning it in the light would transport him off the island? Don't ask me..or the show creators, he just did! Anyway, she knocks him out and massacres his entire settlement, destroying any work he has done too. This is quite silly. The woman obviously has some sort of power but to just show the after effects is ridiculous. After this, the woman brings Jacob back to the light cave and tells him that he is now the one that must protect it. She gives him wine and tells him he is now like her(Why?..) Esau wakes up and driven mad by grief and frustration murders the woman who raised him. Jacob beats Esau and flings him into the light cave. As he does so Smokey flies out of it. Jacob then find Esau's body and places him along with his mother in a cave with two stones, one black one white. They are Adam and Eve and we get a flash back of Kate and Jack finding them back in season 1.

So yeah, we get that big revelation, whoopdy doo. Apparently the origin we have for Smokey is that he flies out of a magical cave if you happen to throw your matricidal brother in it. Its not clear if this entity is actually Esau's spirit combined with whatever malevolence was released from the cave when the light was disturbed, or an entirely new entity that can simply take his form along with any other deceased island resident. Since Un-Locke has alluded to his insane mother and said that Jacob destroyed his body and trapped him on the island I'm guessing its the former. So this woman whoever she is makes it so that Jacob and his brother can never kill each other..then Jacob kills Esau. Doesn't seem like too strict a rule to me. Certainly not one thats completely enforced. But then even in spirit form Esau couldn't directly kill Jacob nor can he know kill the candidates. And who is this woman? How did she get her powers? Don't the writers understand that they are the real answers we want. The source of the mystery not an origin for two characters that we already half guessed at anyway. And isn't it strange that Jacob brings people to this island to play a little game with his dead brother knowing the importance of keeping its power a mystery? Not a very good protector is he? This would have been a great episode to have back at the beginning of the season, book ending it with one now that fully explains things. Sure we are not at the end just yet, but next weeks is focusing on the aftermath of the sub explosion, and even with a 2 and a half hour finale, with all the flash sideways stuff to tie up I can't imagine they will be revisiting the events of this ep. But, who knows. I can live without knowing every detail of th island true origin, the statue, the magical cave etc as long as the show is true to its characters and we get a satisfying resolution. But in the grand scheme of things, I really think they should have used this ep as an opportunity to clear up a lot more than they did . Unless of course, they really are making it up as they go along!

Next weeks ep is called What They Died For and focuses on the aftermath of the deaths of Sayid, Jin and Sun. I have it on good(well, decent) authority that Frank Lapidus will live to wise crack another day:)

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gotta agree with all of it.

im wondering how much better this episode would be recieved if the light in the cave were just a little bit softer. it looked so cheesy and so lame it took me right out of it. and because that is the reason the island must be protected, a lot was riding on it's reveal. (im wondering if that is where they built the temple?? over the cave) even tho it had been a long time coming - Locke saying in season 1 when he saw the smoke monster that he "saw a big bright light and it was beautiful" - it just just left me with an "eh" feeling.

i never much cared for adam and eve. i never thought it mattered who they were because hey! their dead! - tho if you just take it as 'the cave is the tomb of jacob's family' then i guess thats pretty cool.

all of the "reveals" they gave us i didn't have a problem with. i just had a problem with how they were represented. like the review said, good acting, good story, poor presentation. we would be alot more willing to accept the answers they gave us had they been presented in a much better fashion.
OdinsBeard - 5/13/2010, 9:15 AM
this episode was such bullshit. i cant begin to say how dissapointed i am. at this point i feel like they are treating us like children. the bullshit line of "all of my answers will only lead to more questions" is just a slap in the face to everyone who wants to know what the fck is going on. and anyone with 2 braincells knew that they were adam and eve, yet they felt the need to throw in the old scene from season one so us idiots could know what they were showing. people have been faithful to this show from the beginning and the fact that with so little time left they are adding new characters, new questions, and playing coy with the real deal is pissing me off. i have been patient, and thought this episode would be rewarding as they and all the cast members promised it was. and guesse what WRONG!!!!!!. im not asking for all the answers, i never have. but the weakass answers were getting (the whispers, yes i was your father cause you needed water), and the outright convoluting of the other answers is just too much. the answers will only lead to more questions? oh really, what is the island seems like it would have a pretty definative answer to me. who makes up these rules? again, seems like a pretty easily answered question to me. i am truly convinced at this point that they have been making it up, and dont have these answers, and thier going to leave this as some open ended theroretical crap. i read an interview from darlton and cuse where they said they filmed the final scene and it will leave people to debate forever "i wonder what they meant by that"........thats a bullshit way to reward people for 6 years of devotion. even if i dont like the answer at least give one. dont leave me with some bullshit sopranos ending.

there, got that off my chest. and no i dont feel better cause im still pissed.
superdog - 5/13/2010, 9:45 AM
and yes ror i also heard that frank will indeed return. which will raise several more questions that they wont ever answer.
superdog - 5/13/2010, 9:50 AM
this just didn't feel like i was watching an episode of "LOST". the colors seemed off, the pacing was different, it seemed messy and unfocused. i could shake that instinct while watching this. it seemed like they brought in special guest writers and directors to do this. this episode did not feel like it fit in with the rest of the series.

Ab Aeterno accomplished that feeling and was pretty much set up in the same way. except book ended by present-time scenes.

im not saying i could've done a better job from scratch but i don't know how one could read that script and go "yes. yes this is how we want to show people what we've been hiding from them for so long. this is the way to do it"
OdinsBeard - 5/13/2010, 10:14 AM
I'm gonna choose not to get too upset over this one.

Granted, their were problems, and they didn't give you nearly the informational payoff they promoted, but there was some good things in there too. I still think we'll get some of the info we want, but not nearly as much as we had hoped. I've come to the point this season where I'm gonna hold off judgment until the season is over and the dust has settled. If by that point I'm not satisfied, then the game is over and I can move on knowing that it is nearly impossible to end a great dramatic series in a satisfactory manner (as seen in Sopranos and BSG) Which will only prove further that The Wire is television's best show ever.

BillyBlack - 5/13/2010, 10:39 AM
billy@ yes im taking the "wait-and-see" approach too. but i still like this was poorly done - or at the very least did not live up to its own potential.
OdinsBeard - 5/13/2010, 10:44 AM

No question that it didn't live up to the potential/hype that was billed to it. I'm not sure who deserves the blame for that. The writers for not answering enough? The show runners and ABC for hyping this as a "tell all" episode? All of us for heaping far too many expectations on it? I think a combination of all those things will lead to disappointment. I don't agree with all of their choices, but I've only seen the episode once. Perhaps this will be one that bears more fruit upon further viewings, or after fitting it into the big picture. I hope so. I've given up trying to hold on to my preconceived notions and expectations. It's out of our hands. It was never in our hands to begin with. It's been a lot easier watching these past few episodes after I finally let it go.
BillyBlack - 5/13/2010, 11:45 AM
i took the wait and see approach. the problem is as ror pointed out they have 3 1/2 hours to wrap up everything. ive come to the conclusion that its not possible to do so. and i guesse im just mainly mad cause as billy pointed out, everyone hyped this episode up. the producers actors marketers. it was supposed to be the end all and be all of the show and clearly it wasnt. thats why i feel like they are treating us like kids. i feel like whaterever the [frick] his name is does when he finds out his mother has been lying and decieving him for so long. and i never expected to be completely satisfied with the ending but billy i definately see a BSG type ending where everything is rushed, theres no answers to the big questions (starbuck) and it ends with some big spritual thing which was never a part of the earlier seasons and seemed thrown in at the last second. i will be faithful to the end but i have resigned myself to dissatifaction BEFORE its even over. and that is the fault of the creators.
superdog - 5/13/2010, 11:46 AM
ditto supes

I have been fearing the BSG ending since early in the season, and I have that sneeking suspicion you are right on the money with that assessment. The "abstract ending" is becoming more and more likely, which is sure to piss a lot of people off. But with my recalibrated expectations, i'm hopeful they can pull it off without destroying 6 seasons of continuity and build up.
BillyBlack - 5/13/2010, 11:56 AM
yep. i finally had that epiphany last night. apparently you had it a while back. i guesse it is freeing to some extent, but i always hate lowered expectations. but as i said before darlton and cuse said it was gonna be an abstract ending that people would draw thier own conclusions from. and that is great for church but i expect more from my t.v. shows :)
superdog - 5/13/2010, 12:00 PM
billyblack: "It's been a lot easier watching these past few episodes after I finally let it go."

dude, you're like Jack! haha

im just wondering where the effort went. in season 1 2 and 3 we had flash backs all of the time. and they. were. awesome. gripping and emotional until the very end even if you felt like you knew what was going to happen. we knew something happened between jack and christian that sent into a drunken stupor and eventually lead to his death. but watching the scene in the conference room where jack sold him out was GREAT! Sawyer hunting down the wrong guy in Australia. every scene of that flashback was so well done and had you on the edge of your seat "is he going to shoot him now? give him the letter! is this even the guy?" In "meet kevin johnson" (another, almost, entire flash back ep) the moments between Michael and Tom in the ally, him talking to ben on the phone, trying to kill himself. all of it was good - where was all of that expertly executed drama in this episode?

something that this show used to do that it should've continued doing was to take the "Jaws" approach. just allude to what it is you're talking about and it makes it that much more suspenseful and exciting to watch. that just goes back to watch i said earlier about the light totally taking me out of it. and same with the donkey wheel. it's cool that man in black built it but his explanation was half-hearted and rushed. how do these guys from 2000 years ago know what that this mechanism will accomplish "getting of the island" yet scientists with two millennia worth of knowldge can't get it right? - they should've been just like dharma and be trying to harness its power or something. how cool would it even have been if one of those villagers had something with a dharma logo on it? lol. as if they existed even back then. and i wonder how the hieroglyphics got there also.

hey, we all have bad days. im just sad theirs came so late in the game.
OdinsBeard - 5/13/2010, 1:00 PM
His name isn't Esau, that would be too obvious and literal. The writers already said it wasn't at comic con last year when someone asked. Theyre obviously still hiding the name for a reason. Why this is, I do not know...maybe his name doesn't matter? Who knows. I'm sort of dissapointed in this ep, but like you said, I'm withholding judgment until it's over.
starjammer - 5/13/2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for commenting guys. What can ya say. Maybe we shouldn't have expected more from Lost..its just that because its so close to the finale I thought they would give more. If it is another BSG fiasco..although in saying that I actually partially like the final...I will something very mean to my Lost poster!
Cassidy - 5/13/2010, 4:53 PM
Hah, Maybe u could throw it down a mythical lightfilled cave?

Speaking of that, the mother said she made it so they couldn't hurt eachother. Apparently "hurt" doesn't include beating the crap out of eachother and throwing eachother into a rock knocking eachother uncouscious and then killing eachother thereby transforming eachother into the ultimate evil. Yeah, I wouldn't consider any of that included in the definition of hurt :)
superdog - 5/13/2010, 7:50 PM
Is it the finale on tuesday? if not how many more eps will there be?
soperman - 5/14/2010, 9:00 AM
@soperman-- There is one more regular episode on Tuesday. The 2 1/2 hour series finale is next Sunday.

@dog-- I feel your pain. I'm going to be pretty pissed if they don't start answering some REAL questions. Like ror said, I want answers regarding the source of all this mystery. At this point I could really care less about these little details they've been showing us. I want to know WHY, no more WHAT.
HeyVanity - 5/15/2010, 5:20 PM
Oh, and Smokey came from a magical light cave? Come on... If we don't get some answers about why the smoke monster exists, and what the hell that light cave really is, I'm gonna help Ror do mean things to his Lost poster.
HeyVanity - 5/15/2010, 5:24 PM

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